[Article] The reason why God allowed to exist polygamy, slavery, and other bad practices in Israel

[Arlertz]

Ako personally i dont smoke na.. di na din ako nagiinom… i dont celebrate any occassion like bdays etc…ung 7th bday ng bunso ko eh ung parents ko ang naghanda para sa apo nila.. pre marital *** pa kamo.. so yang ganang lifestyle anong masama sa ganan outside the bible??

Tapos tatanungin mo ko kung bakit ko sinabi yung "lifestyle" eh jan palang sa naka highlight na yan tanggap mo/niyo naman pala at okay lang sa inyo hehe. Toinks...

Gusto ko bang malaman?? Inaask ko nga tapos sasagutin mo pa ko ng ganan.. lage na lang paligoy ligoy kaya humahaba..

Aaahh. Sinagot ko narin naman yan. Sabi ko kailangan niyo lang pag-aralan

Sablay ang math analogy mo in comparison sa bible..un lang un…pd kong pag aralan ang algebra lang..pdng trigo lang etc… kung di ko gets ang isang concept sa algebra di ko na need na tignan ang bigger picture para magets un..

Example ko po ba yung sablay o yung pagkaunawa mo? Paki UNAWA mong maigi kasi yung EXAMPLE ko. Nag warning na nga ako e baka gawin niyong literal na naman, NILITERAL mo nga hehe.

Yung proseso ng pag-alam ang tinutukoy ko sa example ko. Ibig mong sabihin nahirapan ka pa i grasp yung basic example ko na yun? At oo naman, pwede mo ngang pag-aralan yung ibat-ibang type ng math alone. Yun nga yung tinutumbok po ng example ko, pero yung PROSESO, yan yun. Haaaay

Talaga bang hindi mo kailangang tignan yung bigger picture pag hindi mo maintindihan yung math? Talaga ba?

Let say kailangan mong matutuhan yung Trigo. Eh hindi mo maintindihan. So ikaw yung uri ng tao na dahil hindi mo maintindihan yung isang bagay e susuko ka na at sasabihin mong "aahhh bahala na ayoko na di ko maintindihan e". Ganon ka ba? Tapos bibirahin mo yung mga taong nakakaintindi ng Trigo dahil lang di mo maintindihan yun? O ikaw yung tao na dahil kailangan mo at gusto mo maintindihan yung isang bagay gaya kunwari ay Trigo, gagawin mo, hahanap ka pa ng ibang info tungkol doon hanggang sa maintindihan moyun?

di din tinuturo sa Math kung pano magtrato sa ibang tao..di din nagppromise ang math ng kahit ano… math concepts can change or be updated din..math is not open for interpretation… math can be tested pag mali itatapon na.. yan ba pd iaapply sa bible??

Oh see? Niliteral mo talaga hehe. Hay grabe. EXAMPLE po. PROSESO ang tinutumbok ng example ko. Hirap ka ba i-grasp yung basic illustration ko?

Tapos kita mo, sabi ko sayo e. Jan ka parin babagsak sa issue mo na yan kahit ibang topic ang pinag-uusapan.

Sige okay na ko. Salamat sa time niyo hihi. Ciao

 

[jayendecastro]

Tapos tatanungin mo ko kung bakit ko sinabi yung "lifestyle" eh jan palang sa naka highlight na yan tanggap mo/niyo naman pala at okay lang sa inyo hehe. Toinks...

tanggap nga.. so ano nga ang mali sa ganong lifestyle?? Wala lang??

Tapos tatanungin mo ko kung bakit ko sinabi yung "lifestyle" eh jan palang sa naka highlight na yan tanggap mo/niyo naman pala at okay lang sa inyo hehe. Toinks...




Aaahh. Sinagot ko narin naman yan. Sabi ko kailangan niyo lang pag-aralan



Example ko po ba yung sablay o yung pagkaunawa mo? Paki UNAWA mong maigi kasi yung EXAMPLE ko. Nag warning na nga ako e baka gawin niyong literal na naman, NILITERAL mo nga hehe.

Yung proseso ng pag-alam ang tinutukoy ko sa example ko. Ibig mong sabihin nahirapan ka pa i grasp yung basic example ko na yun? At oo naman, pwede mo ngang pag-aralan yung ibat-ibang type ng math alone. Yun nga yung tinutumbok po ng example ko, pero yung PROSESO, yan yun. Haaaay

Talaga bang hindi mo kailangang tignan yung bigger picture pag hindi mo maintindihan yung math? Talaga ba?

Let say kailangan mong matutuhan yung Trigo. Eh hindi mo maintindihan. So ikaw yung uri ng tao na dahil hindi mo maintindihan yung isang bagay e susuko ka na at sasabihin mong "aahhh bahala na ayoko na di ko maintindihan e". Ganon ka ba? Tapos bibirahin mo yung mga taong nakakaintindi ng Trigo dahil lang di mo maintindihan yun? O ikaw yung tao na dahil kailangan mo at gusto mo maintindihan yung isang bagay gaya kunwari ay Trigo, gagawin mo, hahanap ka pa ng ibang info tungkol doon hanggang sa maintindihan moyun?



Oh see? Niliteral mo talaga hehe. Hay grabe. EXAMPLE po. PROSESO ang tinutumbok ng example ko. Hirap ka ba i-grasp yung basic illustration ko?

Tapos kita mo, sabi ko sayo e. Jan ka parin babagsak sa issue mo na yan kahit ibang topic ang pinag-uusapan.

Sige okay na ko. Salamat sa time niyo hihi. Ciao

Pag aaral nga db?? Sinabi ko na nga nag pdng pag aralan yang math just like the bible… eh ang assumptions nyo kasi need pa nmin pag aralan pa ang bible kasi ung conclusions nmin about it eh di match sa conclusions nyo…

Hindi yan dahil sa lacking ang understanding or pag aaral sa bible..gusto nyo kasi iadd pa ang trust and belief para makuha ung gusto nyo sagot… kahit anong faith, trust at belief ang gawin hindi magiging 2+2=3… no matter pa kung anong bigger picture ang meron…

2+2=3 is wrong just like slavery is wrong… ur just trying to justify it as being tolerant just because andun sya sa “math book” nyo…

Daling sabihin na need pag aralan kung lalo na kung feeling mo sa sarili mo tama ka and ur surrounded and shielded by people na feeling tama din all the time to reinforce what u already believed in…

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Relax. Sinabi ko po bang atheist lang? Kahit ibang taong may religion ganyan din. May pinili silang lifestyle. Di nila maalis yung paninigarilyo, pasko o iba pang celebration nila, o iba pang kagaya niyan. * before marriage. Okay lang ang * ng di kasal normal lang sa kanila. Homosexual. Sabi pa nga nung ibang nakakausap namin ay "saradong (name of religion here) kami". Yung iba naman kapag kausap na namin ng matagal na, taon pa nga yung iba, ay sinasabi parin nila yan tapos hihinto na sa pakikipagusap sa amin. So yes. Yang sinabi kong "dahil sa lifestyle" ay may basehan sa experience ko/namin. Ayaw alamin ang totoo dahil may lifestyle silang di maiwanan.

Real-talk.
Pwede mo gamitin yang argument na yan para i-compel ang kahit na sino para sa kahit anong bagay mapa-tama man mo mali.

Halimbawal ayaw mo sumali sa isang investment scam, na obvious na scam, sabi sayo nung nag-iinvite sayo..
"ayaw mo lang kasi matuto kaya ayaw mo sumali. Ayaw mo kasi matapos ang tamad mong lifestyle, ayaw mo maging self-sufficient, etc etc."

But is that necessarily true? Hindi ba pwedeng may red flags ng panlilinlang ang naturang scam? Ganun din sa usapang relihiyon...

It does not tell us anything and your statement is a conversation stopper. You are not making argument for the conversation.. you are simply creating an explanation para sa sarili mo na dahilan kaya hindi mo maconvince ang iba na tama at totoo ang mga pinagsasasabi mo.

 

[jayendecastro]

Real-talk.
Pwede mo gamitin yang argument na yan para i-compel ang kahit na sino para sa kahit anong bagay mapa-tama man mo mali.

Halimbawal ayaw mo sumali sa isang investment scam, na obvious na scam, sabi sayo nung nag-iinvite sayo..
"ayaw mo lang kasi matuto kaya ayaw mo sumali. Ayaw mo kasi matapos ang tamad mong lifestyle, ayaw mo maging self-sufficient, etc etc."

But is that necessarily true? Hindi ba pwedeng may red flags ng panlilinlang ang naturang scam? Ganun din sa usapang relihiyon...

It does not tell us anything and your statement is a conversation stopper. You are not making argument for the conversation.. you are simply creating an explanation para sa sarili mo na dahilan kaya hindi mo maconvince ang iba na tama at totoo ang mga pinagsasasabi mo.

Nasa networking nga daw si TS before.. kaya pala praktisado

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Nasa networking nga daw si TS before.. kaya pala praktisado

Cult 101 yan e.
How To Build Your Own Cult

 

[Cerebellum]

pre marital *** pa kamo.. so yang ganang lifestyle anong masama sa ganan outside the bible??

In secular and sociological perspectives, eh ito yung paliwanag (ni ChatGPT)

Here are some reasons why pre-marital *** is considered detrimental to society:

1. Health Risks: Engaging in pre-marital *** can lead to various health risks, such as the spread of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and unwanted *******cies. These risks not only affect individuals but also contribute to the burden on healthcare systems.
2. Emotional Well-being: Casual or multiple sexual partners can lead to emotional distress and relationship complications. The lack of emotional intimacy and commitment may result in feelings of emptiness or dissatisfaction, impacting mental health.
3. Impact on Relationships: Premature sexual activity in relationships can sometimes overshadow other important aspects, like communication, trust-building, and shared values. This may hinder the development of long-lasting, healthy partnerships.
4. Economic Consequences: Unplanned *******cies and early sexual activity can lead to financial strains for individuals and society, including the need for support services, medical care, and welfare programs.
5. Teenage *******cy: Pre-marital *** among teenagers can lead to teenage *******cies, potentially hindering educational and career opportunities and perpetuating cycles of poverty.
6. Education and Productivity: Engaging in sexual activity at a young age may divert attention from education and personal growth, impacting future career prospects and productivity.
7. Respect for Consent: Encouraging abstinence or waiting until both partners are ready for a committed relationship fosters respect for consent and personal boundaries, helping to prevent instances of sexual coercion.
8. Gender Equality: Pre-marital *** norms that disproportionately impact one gender can perpetuate inequalities and contribute to social injustice.
9. Social Stigma: Societies with strong cultural norms against pre-marital *** might stigmatize individuals who engage in such activity, leading to ostracization and negative consequences for mental health.
10. Value of Intimacy: Encouraging delayed sexual activity highlights the value of intimacy within a committed, loving relationship, fostering deeper emotional connections between partners.

Now, puwede mong i-ask si ChatGPT kung anong mabuti sa pre-marital s e x ... Puwede mo rin ilatag dito yung sagot niya kung trip mo paps... Pero, would you consider some of this reason to say na "mali ang lifestyle" na yan? (Gamitin mo din sakin tong tanong na to once you latag na yung sagot ni ChatGPT dito why pre-marital ***, on the other hand, eh may benefits din [daw], but don't be annoyed if I have a counterargument or questions sa isasagot sa'yo ni ChatGPT kasi hihimayin ko din yan kaya be ready)

Nasa networking nga daw si TS before.. kaya pala praktisado

At least hindi scam yung nasalihan ko At hindi ako natakot subukang alamin yung "Network Marketing" na pinasukan ko kasi I have willingness to learn and to examine if yung pinagsasabi ba nila or ng ibang tao about networking eh totoo o hindi.... eh ikaw ba paps, kaya mo bang gawin yan kung Bible ang pag-uusapan?

Tingin mo

1. Sapat na sa'yo yung reply reply lang sa'yo sa comment para ma-convice ka na yung "networking'" na papasukan mo eh totoo or may effort ka talagang gagawin para malaman mo "PERSONALLY" kung legit nga yung company?

2. Or hanggang dito lang talaga yung prefer mo kasi takot ka din na baka kesyo ma-scam ka kasi ganito o ganiyan ang sinasabi ng iba tungkol sa networking?

is that necessarily true? Hindi ba pwedeng may red flags ng panlilinlang ang naturang scam? Ganun din sa usapang relihiyon...

Actually, religion has its good and bad side, even ours has a bad side (kabilang ka man o hindi sa organization namin). And hindi naman pagbubulag-bulagan o pagkukunsinti ang bagay na nakita mo at wala kang ginawang aksiyon, depende sa kung anong pagkilos ang nagawa. Ang bawat indibiduwal na kabilang sa isang organisasyon ay may kalayaang gumawa ng pagpapasiya sa ganiyang mga bagay. On my part, I prefer not to explain kung bakit hindi ko kailangang isa-isahin kung anuman ang nakikita kong "red flags". Puwede kang gumawa ng konklusyon pero hindi nangangahulugang 'yan talaga ang nasa isip at gusto ng mga indibiduwal sa organisasyong kinabibilangan niya.

Anyways,

Red flags can be based on individual preferences. And you can do anything with it or do nothin naman depende sa kung paano mo siya ihahandle. It takes time to know the good and bad side of a religion. But if ige-generalize agad na ang mga relihiyon is may 'naturang scam' kasi nga eh ganiyan yung 'madalas na nakikita o nababalitaan', it can be difficult to individuals to examine what religion really takes God's approval.

But since existence of God pa nga lang eh hindi kayang gawin ng iba, kasi nga gine-genalize na yung religion and Bible eh may red flags, kaya sila din mismo hindi gumagawa ng paraan para mag-examine. They just making excuses na kesyo ganito ganiyan. Pero pag tinanong kung willing ba talagang malaman ang sinasabi ng Bible tungkol sa Diyos, eh they're making excuses na lang din.

Style din yan nung mga networking, sasagutin lng yung mga tanong on their terms. It is never in public surrounded by people with different ideas. Dapat insulated ka from any other ideas. It is not even a 2 way conversation pag andun ka na. Either they convince you or not, pero whatever you say will not convince them from their chosen belief. They expect you to be "civil", meaning you respect their belief as they attempt change yours. Any way you try to be negatively transparent will make you "uncivil".

Then everything is designed na step by step. Mas acceptable ang mga ideas sa una. Once ikaw mismo magbakod sa sarili mo from backing out by making a step to commit, jan mo lng din irereveal sayo what it entails. Pag deeply invested k na, jan lang din lalabas ang kicker.

Individual choice naman yon.

May mga nakakausap kami na ang prefer lang nila sa pag-aaral eh sa labas lng ng bahay, and even individuals naman na nakikipag-aral sa amin kahit sa loob ng bahay nila eh puwede rin maghanap ibang sagot sa mga natatalakay nila sa pag-aaral. We do not say, "bawal yan". But we teach them na "may kalayaang magpasiya ang bawat isa". Kung ang napag-aaralan nila eh hindi pasok sa iniisip nilang "lifetsyle", they can make their decisions naman about it. Kung tingin nila, mali ang sinasabi ng Bible sa iniisip nilang 'tama at mali', they can also make their decisions din about it. HIndi namin sila pinipigilan o pinagbabawalan.

But to make it formal and respectful sa mga taong tumutulong sa'yo na pag-aralan ang Bible, eh masamang bagay ba kung papasukin mo sila sa bahay mo nang ilang minuto at magturo sa iyo ng Bible sa maiksing panahon? Or for you eh "masamang bagay" na agad ang magpapasok ng isang taong may relihiyon at turuan ka about sa religion nila kasi you have this thinking na may 'naturang scam' kasi sa mga religion?

Pag-aaral nga db?? Sinabi ko na nga nag pdng pag aralan yang math just like the bible…

Kaya nga we asked you paps, are you willing to consider ba na makipag-aral ng Bible sa mga Saksi? Asking you to trust and believe it eh ikaw lang ang nag-iisip nya'n hahaha. Now I asked you, willing ka bang pag-aralan talaga yang Bible at i-consider yung sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos or puro ganito na lang palagi?

Ang assumptions nyo kasi need pa nmin pag aralan pa ang bible kasi ung conclusions nmin about it eh di match sa conclusions nyo…

So, dapat ang Bible ang magfit sa narrative niyo ng right and wrong? Tama ba ako o mali?

Parang ganito, may sarili kang ways sa pagsagot ng math problems.. na mukhang okay naman kasi kahit papaano, may naisasagot kang sa tingin mo eh tama... Dahil ba hindi tugma yung sagot mo sa nasa nakasulat sa libro ng Math eh hindi mo na aaralin yon? Or sasabihin mong "ang assumptions kasi ng teacher ko eh pag-aralan yung book ng math na yan kasi yung 'sagot ko' eh hindi match dun sa sinasabi ng teacher ko'"? Edi ikaw na.

Hindi yan dahil sa lacking ang understanding or pag aaral sa bible..gusto nyo kasi iadd pa ang trust and belief para makuha ung gusto nyo sagot…

Trust and believe eh nasa sa'yo yan paps.

kahit anong faith, trust at belief ang gawin hindi magiging 2+2=3

Tama ka dyan, at tandaan mong kailanman ay hindi talaga matututo ang isang tao kung hindi niya aaralin ang isang bagay na hindi niya alam. That's why merong books like math para yung mga taong walang alam sa ganiyang subject eh magkaroon ng kaalaman tungkol dyan at maturuan sila ng tama.

Eh ikaw ba? Kaya mo bang gawin yan kung Bible ang pag-uusapan?

Pag-aaral nga db??

Ano ulit sabi mo paps?

Sinabi ko na nga nag pdng pag aralan yang math just like the bible…

Puwede naman pala, pero bakit ayaw mo pag-aralan?

Kasi you criticize it na before mo pa masubukang suriin yung lahat ng nilalaman nito? Tama ba ako o mali?

Hindi ka pa namin ginagamitan ng teksto nya'n paps. Nagtatanong pa lang kami sa'yo about your willingness pero struggling ka na sa part pa lang na yan, paano pa kapag tinekstuhan ka na namin.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

In secular and sociological perspectives, eh ito yung paliwanag (ni ChatGPT)

Here are some reasons why pre-marital *** is considered detrimental to society:

Napansin mo ba lahat ng sagot from 1 to 10, mattrace mo na ang problema ay nagsimula din sa mga paniniwala na nag-ugat sa christian belief. (Rejection of contraceptives, parents lack of healthy conversation about s*x and relationships to their children, and very specific standards assumed when it comes gender to relationships.)

In a truly secular world with no christian influence, there is no reason to think premarital s*x is wrong between two consenting adults.

 

[Cerebellum]

In secular and sociological perspectives, eh ito yung paliwanag (ni ChatGPT)

Here are some reasons why pre-marital *** is considered detrimental to society:

Napansin mo ba lahat ng sagot from 1 to 10, mattrace mo na ang problema ay nagsimula din sa mga paniniwala na nag-ugat sa christian belief. (Rejection of contraceptives, parents lack of healthy conversation about s*x and relationships to their children, and very specific standards assumed when it comes gender to relationships.)

In a truly secular world with no christian influence, there is no reason to think premarital s*x is wrong between two consenting adults.

Oww really? Hindi mo ba alam kung ano yung prompts na sinabi ko kay ChatGPT?

Here oh:

So, how would you conclude agad na
"ang problema ay nagsimula din sa mga paniniwala na nag-ugat sa christian belief" if walang anumang related sa religious beliefs ang binanggit?

Sinisi mo agad yung Christian influence eh Hayyss

 

[jayendecastro]

In secular and sociological perspectives, eh ito yung paliwanag (ni ChatGPT)

Here are some reasons why pre-marital *** is considered detrimental to society:

1. Health Risks: Engaging in pre-marital *** can lead to various health risks, such as the spread of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and unwanted *******cies. These risks not only affect individuals but also contribute to the burden on healthcare systems.
2. Emotional Well-being: Casual or multiple sexual partners can lead to emotional distress and relationship complications. The lack of emotional intimacy and commitment may result in feelings of emptiness or dissatisfaction, impacting mental health.
3. Impact on Relationships: Premature sexual activity in relationships can sometimes overshadow other important aspects, like communication, trust-building, and shared values. This may hinder the development of long-lasting, healthy partnerships.
4. Economic Consequences: Unplanned *******cies and early sexual activity can lead to financial strains for individuals and society, including the need for support services, medical care, and welfare programs.
5. Teenage *****cy: Pre-marital * among teenagers can lead to teenage *******cies, potentially hindering educational and career opportunities and perpetuating cycles of poverty.
6. Education and Productivity: Engaging in sexual activity at a young age may divert attention from education and personal growth, impacting future career prospects and productivity.
7. Respect for Consent: Encouraging abstinence or waiting until both partners are ready for a committed relationship fosters respect for consent and personal boundaries, helping to prevent instances of sexual coercion.
8. Gender Equality: Pre-marital *** norms that disproportionately impact one gender can perpetuate inequalities and contribute to social injustice.
9. Social Stigma: Societies with strong cultural norms against pre-marital *** might stigmatize individuals who engage in such activity, leading to ostracization and negative consequences for mental health.
10. Value of Intimacy: Encouraging delayed sexual activity highlights the value of intimacy within a committed, loving relationship, fostering deeper emotional connections between partners.

Now, puwede mong i-ask si ChatGPT kung anong mabuti sa pre-marital s e x ... Puwede mo rin ilatag dito yung sagot niya kung trip mo paps... Pero, would you consider some of this reason to say na "mali ang lifestyle" na yan? (Gamitin mo din sakin tong tanong na to once you latag na yung sagot ni ChatGPT dito why pre-marital ***, on the other hand, eh may benefits din [daw], but don't be annoyed if I have a counterargument or questions sa isasagot sa'yo ni ChatGPT kasi hihimayin ko din yan kaya be ready)

yun.. need lang pala assist ng AI pra sumagot ng dretso… why ko need iask si chatgpt about benefits ng premarital?? Did i say na its beneficial or ur just trying to add something na wala naman to begin with??

And yes, i agree with some na sinabi ni chatgpt about premarital ***..and by premarital *** i mean between two consenting adults.. teenage *** is a no for me as well as extramarital ones… now since i agree with some, do u have any idea kung sa reason why such things like STIs and unwanted pregnacies do occur sa mga couples??

At least hindi scam yung nasalihan ko At hindi ako natakot subukang alamin yung "Network Marketing" na pinasukan ko kasi I have willingness to learn and to examine if yung pinagsasabi ba nila or ng ibang tao about networking eh totoo o hindi.... eh ikaw ba paps, kaya mo bang gawin yan kung Bible ang pag-uusapan?

Wat networking company was that? And why did u stop??

I actually was also part ng networking na yan many years ago.. twice actually kame ni mrs nag join jan pero it didnt last kasi hassle masyado and we learned eventually na di feasible..true enough di na nageexists ung mga companies na un

Kaya ko nga gawin yan sa bible… now tell me why i should do that studying with your fellow jw?? Parang networking, why should i invest anything sa mga sinasabi mo?

In secular and sociological perspectives, eh ito yung paliwanag (ni ChatGPT)

Here are some reasons why pre-marital *** is considered detrimental to society:

1. Health Risks: Engaging in pre-marital *** can lead to various health risks, such as the spread of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and unwanted *******cies. These risks not only affect individuals but also contribute to the burden on healthcare systems.
2. Emotional Well-being: Casual or multiple sexual partners can lead to emotional distress and relationship complications. The lack of emotional intimacy and commitment may result in feelings of emptiness or dissatisfaction, impacting mental health.
3. Impact on Relationships: Premature sexual activity in relationships can sometimes overshadow other important aspects, like communication, trust-building, and shared values. This may hinder the development of long-lasting, healthy partnerships.
4. Economic Consequences: Unplanned *******cies and early sexual activity can lead to financial strains for individuals and society, including the need for support services, medical care, and welfare programs.
5. Teenage *****cy: Pre-marital * among teenagers can lead to teenage *******cies, potentially hindering educational and career opportunities and perpetuating cycles of poverty.
6. Education and Productivity: Engaging in sexual activity at a young age may divert attention from education and personal growth, impacting future career prospects and productivity.
7. Respect for Consent: Encouraging abstinence or waiting until both partners are ready for a committed relationship fosters respect for consent and personal boundaries, helping to prevent instances of sexual coercion.
8. Gender Equality: Pre-marital *** norms that disproportionately impact one gender can perpetuate inequalities and contribute to social injustice.
9. Social Stigma: Societies with strong cultural norms against pre-marital *** might stigmatize individuals who engage in such activity, leading to ostracization and negative consequences for mental health.
10. Value of Intimacy: Encouraging delayed sexual activity highlights the value of intimacy within a committed, loving relationship, fostering deeper emotional connections between partners.

Now, puwede mong i-ask si ChatGPT kung anong mabuti sa pre-marital s e x ... Puwede mo rin ilatag dito yung sagot niya kung trip mo paps... Pero, would you consider some of this reason to say na "mali ang lifestyle" na yan? (Gamitin mo din sakin tong tanong na to once you latag na yung sagot ni ChatGPT dito why pre-marital ***, on the other hand, eh may benefits din [daw], but don't be annoyed if I have a counterargument or questions sa isasagot sa'yo ni ChatGPT kasi hihimayin ko din yan kaya be ready)


At least hindi scam yung nasalihan ko At hindi ako natakot subukang alamin yung "Network Marketing" na pinasukan ko kasi I have willingness to learn and to examine if yung pinagsasabi ba nila or ng ibang tao about networking eh totoo o hindi.... eh ikaw ba paps, kaya mo bang gawin yan kung Bible ang pag-uusapan?

Tingin mo

1. Sapat na sa'yo yung reply reply lang sa'yo sa comment para ma-convice ka na yung "networking'" na papasukan mo eh totoo or may effort ka talagang gagawin para malaman mo "PERSONALLY" kung legit nga yung company?

2. Or hanggang dito lang talaga yung prefer mo kasi takot ka din na baka kesyo ma-scam ka kasi ganito o ganiyan ang sinasabi ng iba tungkol sa networking?


Actually, religion has its good and bad side, even ours has a bad side (kabilang ka man o hindi sa organization namin). And hindi naman pagbubulag-bulagan o pagkukunsinti ang bagay na nakita mo at wala kang ginawang aksiyon, depende sa kung anong pagkilos ang nagawa. Ang bawat indibiduwal na kabilang sa isang organisasyon ay may kalayaang gumawa ng pagpapasiya sa ganiyang mga bagay. On my part, I prefer not to explain kung bakit hindi ko kailangang isa-isahin kung anuman ang nakikita kong "red flags". Puwede kang gumawa ng konklusyon pero hindi nangangahulugang 'yan talaga ang nasa isip at gusto ng mga indibiduwal sa organisasyong kinabibilangan niya.

Anyways,

Red flags can be based on individual preferences. And you can do anything with it or do nothin naman depende sa kung paano mo siya ihahandle. It takes time to know the good and bad side of a religion. But if ige-generalize agad na ang mga relihiyon is may 'naturang scam' kasi nga eh ganiyan yung 'madalas na nakikita o nababalitaan', it can be difficult to individuals to examine what religion really takes God's approval.

But since existence of God pa nga lang eh hindi kayang gawin ng iba, kasi nga gine-genalize na yung religion and Bible eh may red flags, kaya sila din mismo hindi gumagawa ng paraan para mag-examine. They just making excuses na kesyo ganito ganiyan. Pero pag tinanong kung willing ba talagang malaman ang sinasabi ng Bible tungkol sa Diyos, eh they're making excuses na lang din.


Individual choice naman yon.

May mga nakakausap kami na ang prefer lang nila sa pag-aaral eh sa labas lng ng bahay, and even individuals naman na nakikipag-aral sa amin kahit sa loob ng bahay nila eh puwede rin maghanap ibang sagot sa mga natatalakay nila sa pag-aaral. We do not say, "bawal yan". But we teach them na "may kalayaang magpasiya ang bawat isa". Kung ang napag-aaralan nila eh hindi pasok sa iniisip nilang "lifetsyle", they can make their decisions naman about it. Kung tingin nila, mali ang sinasabi ng Bible sa iniisip nilang 'tama at mali', they can also make their decisions din about it. HIndi namin sila pinipigilan o pinagbabawalan.

But to make it formal and respectful sa mga taong tumutulong sa'yo na pag-aralan ang Bible, eh masamang bagay ba kung papasukin mo sila sa bahay mo nang ilang minuto at magturo sa iyo ng Bible sa maiksing panahon? Or for you eh "masamang bagay" na agad ang magpapasok ng isang taong may relihiyon at turuan ka about sa religion nila kasi you have this thinking na may 'naturang scam' kasi sa mga religion?


Kaya nga we asked you paps, are you willing to consider ba na makipag-aral ng Bible sa mga Saksi? Asking you to trust and believe it eh ikaw lang ang nag-iisip nya'n hahaha. Now I asked you, willing ka bang pag-aralan talaga yang Bible at i-consider yung sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos or puro ganito na lang palagi?


So, dapat ang Bible ang magfit sa narrative niyo ng right and wrong? Tama ba ako o mali?

Parang ganito, may sarili kang ways sa pagsagot ng math problems.. na mukhang okay naman kasi kahit papaano, may naisasagot kang sa tingin mo eh tama... Dahil ba hindi tugma yung sagot mo sa nasa nakasulat sa libro ng Math eh hindi mo na aaralin yon? Or sasabihin mong "ang assumptions kasi ng teacher ko eh pag-aralan yung book ng math na yan kasi yung 'sagot ko' eh hindi match dun sa sinasabi ng teacher ko'"? Edi ikaw na.


Trust and believe eh nasa sa'yo yan paps.


Tama ka dyan, at tandaan mong kailanman ay hindi talaga matututo ang isang tao kung hindi niya aaralin ang isang bagay na hindi niya alam. That's why merong books like math para yung mga taong walang alam sa ganiyang subject eh magkaroon ng kaalaman tungkol dyan at maturuan sila ng tama.

Eh ikaw ba? Kaya mo bang gawin yan kung Bible ang pag-uusapan?

Ano ulit sabi mo paps?

Puwede naman pala, pero bakit ayaw mo pag-aralan?

Kasi you criticize it na before mo pa masubukang suriin yung lahat ng nilalaman nito? Tama ba ako o mali?

Hindi ka pa namin ginagamitan ng teksto nya'n paps. Nagtatanong pa lang kami sa'yo about your willingness pero struggling ka na sa part pa lang na yan, paano pa kapag tinekstuhan ka na namin.

Paulit ulit na lang mga sinasabi mo…

Lets say iconsider ko ang bible study with you…
So before i do that i want to know u.. the person u will supposedly guide me in studying…can u share ung history ng faith mo? And why JW? and why ur interpretation sa bible ang need ko alamin and not anyone else’s??

The thing is, you have ur own understanding sa bible…others have their own and i also have mine. What u just keep on saying eh everyone else is wrong or lackibg kasi “di fit sa narrative na gusto mo”

Eto nga ung topic mo

Slavery is wrong. Thats a fact.

And u urself aminado ka jan. U say god tolerated something wrong. I can say na he not just tolerated it he endorsed it pa nga giving full instructions on how to do it..

Cultural tradition.. silent…same as modern employment… wrong is still wrong…

Now is possible for me to believe in such god..sure,, thats always a possibility.. would i trust him?? Based on that? Nope.. worship him?? Lalo ng hindi..

 

[Cerebellum]

yes, i agree with some na sinabi ni chatgpt about premarital ..and by premarital i mean between two consenting adults.. teenage * is a no for me as well as extramarital ones…

Okay. So, what are the things you agree with sa sinabi ni chatgpt and what are some you did not?

now since i agree with some, do u have any idea kung sa reason why such things like STIs and unwanted pregnacies do occur sa mga couples??

I don't have vast of knowledge about it. You can do your own research naman tungkol dyan. I gave ChatGPT's answered naman na about why pre-marital *** is bad without mentioning Bible's view. Irrelevant na for me to give you deeper understanding pa about dyan.

Wat networking company was that? And why did u stop??

Telepreneur Corp.

Nagstop ako kasi nag-aral na 'ko. Hindi ko kayang ipagsabay eh. Hehe.

Kaya ko nga gawin yan sa bible…

Aaaah, good to know that ah .. Nung mga nakaraang nagtatanong ako, dami pang paliguy-ligoy eh hehe .. Kesyo pino-point kong to fit to my narrative yung tinatanong ko, well, that's what you're thinking .. I'm just asking kung kaya mo lang i-consider yung pag-aaral ng Bible since my questions are revealing if you are really interested to consider what the Bible says about God .. Kaso, ayun nga, paliguy-ligoy ka sa pagsagot pero at the end, sasabihin mo din po palang "kaya ko nga gawin yan sa Bible"

now tell me why i should do that studying with your fellow jw??

Parang networking, why should i invest anything sa mga sinasabi mo?

Let me ask you muna, ano na bang mga aral or turo mula sa amin ang nalaman mo na? Then compare it sa iba pang nalaman mong turo sa ibang Christian religions.. Tapos ask yourself, alin sa mga turo na yan yung, sa tingin mo ah, eh kahit papaano, tumutulong sa'yo na magkaroon ng malinaw na sagot tungkol sa Diyos... Since may willingness ka naman na pala, kaya mo naman din pala.. So why don't try to examine those different beliefs, di'ba?

Mahirap naman kasi kung sasagutin ko yan ng ganito ganiyan... Tapos eto naman pala ang pananaw mo:

you have ur own understanding sa bible…others have their own and i also have mine.

Edi wala rin diba?

If you are sincere to consider knowing and studying what the Bible really teach about God, my personal convictions in my beliefs can't be a good foundation for you to really consider it.

Parang sa networking, yung experiences ba nung mga top earner sa MLM companies yung magiging dahilan mo to convince yourself na "Oh yes, I will invest na dito sa network marketing na 'to kasi talagang yumaman sila dito"?

I doubt na ganyan ang gagawin mo. So you're the one to decide. Tama?

So ask yourself, “Am I willing ba talaga? Or I have "doubts" to do that kasi may narinig akong bad comments about sa religion na yon?”

I will leave that matters to you na. Hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon eh sagot ko ang mga bagay na personal mong pagdedesisyunan.

Anyways, thanks for considering na alamin yung history ng faith ko, but I find it irrelevant to share it with you those information this time. Nabanggit ko naman na yung reason why.

 

[jayendecastro]

Okay. So, what are the things you agree with sa sinabi ni chatgpt and what are some you did not?


I don't have vast of knowledge about it. You can do your own research naman tungkol dyan. I gave ChatGPT's answered naman na about why pre-marital *** is bad without mentioning Bible's view. Irrelevant na for me to give you deeper understanding pa about dyan.


Telepreneur Corp.

Nagstop ako kasi nag-aral na 'ko. Hindi ko kayang ipagsabay eh. Hehe.


Aaaah, good to know that ah .. Nung mga nakaraang nagtatanong ako, dami pang paliguy-ligoy eh hehe .. Kesyo pino-point kong to fit to my narrative yung tinatanong ko, well, that's what you're thinking .. I'm just asking kung kaya mo lang i-consider yung pag-aaral ng Bible since my questions are revealing if you are really interested to consider what the Bible says about God .. Kaso, ayun nga, paliguy-ligoy ka sa pagsagot pero at the end, sasabihin mo din po palang "kaya ko nga gawin yan sa Bible"



Let me ask you muna, ano na bang mga aral or turo mula sa amin ang nalaman mo na? Then compare it sa iba pang nalaman mong turo sa ibang Christian religions.. Tapos ask yourself, alin sa mga turo na yan yung, sa tingin mo ah, eh kahit papaano, tumutulong sa'yo na magkaroon ng malinaw na sagot tungkol sa Diyos... Since may willingness ka naman na pala, kaya mo naman din pala.. So why don't try to examine those different beliefs, di'ba?

Mahirap naman kasi kung sasagutin ko yan ng ganito ganiyan... Tapos eto naman pala ang pananaw mo:

Edi wala rin diba?

If you are sincere to consider knowing and studying what the Bible really teach about God, my personal convictions in my beliefs can't be a good foundation for you to really consider it.

Parang sa networking, yung experiences ba nung mga top earner sa MLM companies yung magiging dahilan mo to convince yourself na "Oh yes, I will invest na dito sa network marketing na 'to kasi talagang yumaman sila dito"?

I doubt na ganyan ang gagawin mo. So you're the one to decide. Tama?

So ask yourself, “Am I willing ba talaga? Or I have "doubts" to do that kasi may narinig akong bad comments about sa religion na yon?”

I will leave that matters to you na. Hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon eh sagot ko ang mga bagay na personal mong pagdedesisyunan.

Anyways, thanks for considering na alamin yung history ng faith ko, but I find it irrelevant to share it with you those information this time. Nabanggit ko naman na yung reason why.

1 and 4 - this happens dahil din sa lack of education about safe *** practices



2 and 3 - *** is just one component of a relationship between two people… ung entirety ng relationship ng isang couple ang need tignan kung nagkakaroon ng problema… *** can also be an issue even between married couples



5 - like i said. Im not in favor of minors having ***… acceptable lang skin ang *** between two consenting adults



6 - mentioning “young” here perhaps refer to minors again na nasa taas na ung sagot ko.. pero in terms of education at productivity.. kung ang isang tao eh wala ng ginawa kundi makipagsex na lang oras oras at wala ng nagagagawa then definitely nakakasama un.. addiction na un which is unhealthy.. kung nagagawa mo pa din gusto mo pagaaral or work while still enjoying *** then walang masama dun



7 - like i said.. consent is important. So unless pre-marital *** is coerced wala pa ding masama



8 - dunno what gender equality is being discussed here. One gender is not obligated to provide *** to the other. Consent lang even regardless of the gender



9 - this i agree with. May social stigma nga and un ang inaask ko sayo na reason why.. same reasons na i was asking about STIs



10 - this one i agree with. Ung *** can spice up a relationship.make it stronger. But the thing is u can have that with someone u love even if u are not yet married.









Hahahaha ako pa ang paligoy ligoy?? Ung sagot mo kasi na need ko pag aralan or ayaw ko pag aralan ang bible and need bible study eh implying that i have not studied the bible… kaya nga i ask why bible study with jw.. anong current understanding ko about the bible ang mababago thru jw bible study or doctrines??



We are studyng slavery sa context ng bible right now db? U presented ur explanation and i dont agree with it. Studying something tapos ang answer in the end is “silent kasi” or something like “higher level ng kaisipan” arent answers.. those are excuses… mas honest pa sabihin na “dont know” which ofcors mahirap iadmit sa part nyo kaya eto at may elaborate analogy na kung ano ano ang inooffer nyo…



Why is it na pag may “doubts” or pag aalinlangan na iaccept ung offer nyo ton “study” ur bible eh ung “SINCERITY” ung kinukwestyon nyo??



Its not a matter of sincerity, its a matter of CONFIDENCE ko sayo and what u are saying…. Like sa MLM, to be convince to join that eh need mo ng confidence dun sa nagrerecruit sayo at confidence sa business nea…



Lastly, you’re right.. ung personal convictions mo perhaps cannot be a foundation for someone else… but its a start… coming from MLM eh u should know that.

 

[Cerebellum]

Hahahaha ako pa ang paligoy ligoy?? Ung sagot mo kasi na need ko pag aralan or ayaw ko pag aralan ang bible and need bible study eh implying that i have not studied the bible…

Whether you think I implied that you didn't study the Bible, or/and even you studied it, ang tanong pa din dya'n eh ano ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya? Sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos?

kaya nga i ask why bible study with jw.. anong current understanding ko about the bible ang mababago thru jw bible study or doctrines??

Again, how would I know what will change if I don't know, primarily, what your current understanding about God and the Bible?

Ang bagsak pa din nito eh ano nga ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos? Gaano ka-sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos, para masabi mong "you studied it"?

We are studyng slavery sa context ng bible right now db?

Oh, you "studying" na pala agad .. Is that your way of "studying" pala?

Studying something tapos ang answer in the end is “silent kasi” or something like “higher level ng kaisipan” arent answers.. those are excuses…

Really? Actually, you made answers naman din ah...

Nope. Didnt ignore it.. baka kasi u wanna ask ibang atheist jan sa area mo… ahahaha

Oww, that's aren't answers, that's are excuses...

Balikan mo lang yung mga tanong ko dyan sa part na yan para hindi pending yung ibang isasagot ko sa'yo paps ..

Why is it na pag may “doubts” or pag aalinlangan na iaccept ung offer nyo ton “study” ur bible eh ung “SINCERITY” ung kinukwestyon nyo??
Its not a matter of sincerity, its a matter of CONFIDENCE ko sayo and what u are saying…. Like sa MLM, to be convince to join that eh need mo ng confidence dun sa nagrerecruit sayo at confidence sa business nea…

If it's not the sincerity and it's about being confident sa akin at sa sinasabi ko, eh again, hindi yan mabi-build malibang sabihin mo kung ano ang talagang alam mo at hindi alam.

Parang ganito, ako yung nagre-recruit and I know packages na swak sa mga client ko, but first, paano ko malalaman ang kailangan ng client ko kung hindi nila sasabihin kung ano ang kailangan nila at kung gaano kalaki ang kaya nilang i-invest or kung meron nga talaga silang pera to invest?

Ilatag ko man yan, pero ang ending eh si client biglang magsasabing "yan ang alam mo sa business, at may iba ding tao na may alam sa ganyang business, at eto ang alam ko" ... eh mukhang malabo talagang makapagbigay ako ng malinaw na package na gusto ng client ko since may alam naman pala siya pero kapag nilalatagan ng sagot eh biglang magsasabing may kani-kaniya tayong way ng pagbu-business.. Gets?

Hindi rin kasi puwedeng ilalatag ko lang tong packages then, bandang huli eh etong client ko pala eh walang pera, walang puhunan, at walang time to invest in this business. Sayang ang laway, sayang yung time.

That's why, paulit-ulit akong nagtatanong sa'yo. Pero ano, you're still making excuses na kesyo paliguy-ligoy kami sa pagsagot, kesyo ganito ganiyan.

 

[Arlertz]

1 and 4 - this happens dahil din sa lack of education about safe *** practices

2 and 3 - * is just one component of a relationship between two people… ung entirety ng relationship ng isang couple ang need tignan kung nagkakaroon ng problema… * can also be an issue even between married couples

5 - like i said. Im not in favor of minors having *… acceptable lang skin ang * between two consenting adults

6 - mentioning “young” here perhaps refer to minors again na nasa taas na ung sagot ko.. pero in terms of education at productivity.. kung ang isang tao eh wala ng ginawa kundi makipagsex na lang oras oras at wala ng nagagagawa then definitely nakakasama un.. addiction na un which is unhealthy.. kung nagagawa mo pa din gusto mo pagaaral or work while still enjoying *** then walang masama dun

7 - like i said.. consent is important. So unless pre-marital *** is coerced wala pa ding masama

8 - dunno what gender equality is being discussed here. One gender is not obligated to provide *** to the other. Consent lang even regardless of the gender

9 - this i agree with. May social stigma nga and un ang inaask ko sayo na reason why.. same reasons na i was asking about STIs

10 - this one i agree with. Ung *** can spice up a relationship.make it stronger. But the thing is u can have that with someone u love even if u are not yet married.

Lifestyle. That's it

 

[jayendecastro]

Whether you think I implied that you didn't study the Bible, or/and even you studied it, ang tanong pa din dya'n eh ano ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya? Sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos?


Again, how would I know what will change if I don't know, primarily, what your current understanding about God and the Bible?

Ang bagsak pa din nito eh ano nga ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos? Gaano ka-sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos, para masabi mong "you studied it"?


Oh, you "studying" na pala agad .. Is that your way of "studying" pala?


Really? Actually, you made answers naman din ah...

Oww, that's aren't answers, that's are excuses...

Balikan mo lang yung mga tanong ko dyan sa part na yan para hindi pending yung ibang isasagot ko sa'yo paps ..

If it's not the sincerity and it's about being confident sa akin at sa sinasabi ko, eh again, hindi yan mabi-build malibang sabihin mo kung ano ang talagang alam mo at hindi alam.

Parang ganito, ako yung nagre-recruit and I know packages na swak sa mga client ko, but first, paano ko malalaman ang kailangan ng client ko kung hindi nila sasabihin kung ano ang kailangan nila at kung gaano kalaki ang kaya nilang i-invest or kung meron nga talaga silang pera to invest?

Ilatag ko man yan, pero ang ending eh si client biglang magsasabing "yan ang alam mo sa business, at may iba ding tao na may alam sa ganyang business, at eto ang alam ko" ... eh mukhang malabo talagang makapagbigay ako ng malinaw na package na gusto ng client ko since may alam naman pala siya pero kapag nilalatagan ng sagot eh biglang magsasabing may kani-kaniya tayong way ng pagbu-business.. Gets?

Hindi rin kasi puwedeng ilalatag ko lang tong packages then, bandang huli eh etong client ko pala eh walang pera, walang puhunan, at walang time to invest in this business. Sayang ang laway, sayang yung time.

That's why, paulit-ulit akong nagtatanong sa'yo. Pero ano, you're still making excuses na kesyo paliguy-ligoy kami sa pagsagot, kesyo ganito ganiyan.

Ilanga back and forth na tyo on many occasions… its like ur trying to recruit me sa business at nakailang kape na tayo sa SB at mary grace eh up to now hindi mo pa din makuha kung ano gusto or alam ko… thats bad recruiting on your part..

Dito sa topic kung san san na napunta ultimo pagdidifferentiate ng sapat at konte

Umabot pa sa na YOU believe and trust ur god despite sa limited knowledge na bigay nya kamo about certain things… then go on and and basically asked me to do the same…

You suggested yang bible study with your fellow jw… i asked why i should do that….like sa recruitment again.. im asking why i should invest anything at all… what do you have to offer dapat ang isasagot mo…

But anw, lets follow ur suggestion… sge.. based on what i know about the bible eh its a bunch of unproven claims about an unproven being…. Now please..offer ur answer as to why that isnt the case.

Lifestyle. That's it

If done responsibly eh not such a bad lifestyle.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Whether you think I implied that you didn't study the Bible, or/and even you studied it, ang tanong pa din dya'n eh ano ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya? Sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos?


Again, how would I know what will change if I don't know, primarily, what your current understanding about God and the Bible?

Ang bagsak pa din nito eh ano nga ang nauunawaan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos? Gaano ka-sapat ba ang nalalaman mo sa sinasabi nito tungkol sa Diyos, para masabi mong "you studied it"?


Oh, you "studying" na pala agad .. Is that your way of "studying" pala?


Really? Actually, you made answers naman din ah...

Oww, that's aren't answers, that's are excuses...

Balikan mo lang yung mga tanong ko dyan sa part na yan para hindi pending yung ibang isasagot ko sa'yo paps ..

If it's not the sincerity and it's about being confident sa akin at sa sinasabi ko, eh again, hindi yan mabi-build malibang sabihin mo kung ano ang talagang alam mo at hindi alam.

Parang ganito, ako yung nagre-recruit and I know packages na swak sa mga client ko, but first, paano ko malalaman ang kailangan ng client ko kung hindi nila sasabihin kung ano ang kailangan nila at kung gaano kalaki ang kaya nilang i-invest or kung meron nga talaga silang pera to invest?

Ilatag ko man yan, pero ang ending eh si client biglang magsasabing "yan ang alam mo sa business, at may iba ding tao na may alam sa ganyang business, at eto ang alam ko" ... eh mukhang malabo talagang makapagbigay ako ng malinaw na package na gusto ng client ko since may alam naman pala siya pero kapag nilalatagan ng sagot eh biglang magsasabing may kani-kaniya tayong way ng pagbu-business.. Gets?

Hindi rin kasi puwedeng ilalatag ko lang tong packages then, bandang huli eh etong client ko pala eh walang pera, walang puhunan, at walang time to invest in this business. Sayang ang laway, sayang yung time.

That's why, paulit-ulit akong nagtatanong sa'yo. Pero ano, you're still making excuses na kesyo paliguy-ligoy kami sa pagsagot, kesyo ganito ganiyan.

May tanong ako. I am an Atheist because I did actually read the Bible. And the only way it can be acceptable is if everything is to be read allegorical. And it is meant for the reader to pick and choose whichever is socially acceptable to what era he lives in..



I am curious, to you, as someone who claims to live as to the prescription of the bible, how do you distinguish between allegory and literal? Or do you even do that?

 

[Cerebellum]

based on what i know about the bible eh its a bunch of unproven claims about an unproven being….

Well, leave na muna natin si Networking illustration para dyan, so I can give my views about it. Okay?

Now, here's what I know based on what I have study in the Bible:

- There's a practical advices in here, that even the science and studies can prove it's practicalities. And over time, since it was written, there are things in here that still practical to apply in everyday life. (Don't ask what are those things muna, mapapalayo tayo eh)

- That it is comprehensible, the way the readers can understand that sometimes or maybe oftentimes, if you read and study the Bible, that there are things God has made and done that we cannot fully understand. (And the Bible gave us a reminders about that) On the other hand, there are things we can understand in the Bible, for us to be equipped in everyday living and circumstances.

What was my very first intentions?

- Naniniwala akong may Diyos noon gaya ng iba pang mga taong lumaki sa pananampalatayang Katoliko, pero hindi ako kumbinsidong nag-eexist nga siya o dapat siyang sambahin o pagtiwalaan.

- But I consider to study the contents of the Bible even I have doubts, until I find good reasons in the Bible to "believe" that God really exists, the way that yung mga dahilan na yon eh logical at madaling maintindihan kahit ng mga bata. Simple at hindi komplikado, maybe for some it is, I don't know why, pero, yun nga, oftentimes, commonsense na lang din eh.

Anyways, my mistakes, I am asking for what have you studied in the Bible, not what you can say and what you know, as some would say, about the Bible.

Ano na yung mga napag-aralan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos? (Yan yung tanong ko)

Latag mo dito. Gusto ko lang malaman kung anu-ano yung mga bagay na nalaman mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos.

For example, ano ang sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos at sa iba pa? (Hindi yung kung ano ang komento mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos)

1. Loving, Powerful (give supporting verses)
2. and so on... ()

And for that, maybe, kung available pa ako sa mga susunod na araw, we can discuss it one by one.

Nalimutan ko lang din i-ask jayendecastro

What was your intention when you study the Bible? And what's your firsthand beliefs before you study it?

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If done responsibly eh not such a bad lifestyle

For this naman, how would someone know if this was "done responsibly"?

Pakilatag nga din yung comment mo about dyan.

May tanong ako. I am an Atheist because I did actually read the Bible. And the only way it can be acceptable is if everything is to be read allegorical. And it is meant for the reader to pick and choose whichever is socially acceptable to what era he lives in..



I am curious, to you, as someone who claims to live as to the prescription of the bible, how do you distinguish between allegory and literal? Or do you even do that?

Sagutin ko yung inquiry mo next time, medyo busy pa

 

[jayendecastro]

Well, leave na muna natin si Networking illustration para dyan, so I can give my views about it. Okay?

Now, here's what I know based on what I have study in the Bible:

- There's a practical advices in here, that even the science and studies can prove it's practicalities. And over time, since it was written, there are things in here that still practical to apply in everyday life. (Don't ask what are those things muna, mapapalayo tayo eh)

- That it is comprehensible, the way the readers can understand that sometimes or maybe oftentimes, if you read and study the Bible, that there are things God has made and done that we cannot fully understand. (And the Bible gave us a reminders about that) On the other hand, there are things we can understand in the Bible, for us to be equipped in everyday living and circumstances.

Like i said dati na yup there are good things in the bible.. practical things even like u said… proven din.. sure… pero what about those that are impractical na?? Or not even proven useful or true?? Will u acknowledge that same as i acknowledged ung practicalities ng ibang nasa bible? Slavery, incest, genocide are samples of things that are not just impractical, but downright evil.

And how is it comprehensible when there are things we cannot fully understand? And conveniently eh the bible says thats the case so hayaan na lang and still call it comprehensible nonetheless.

What was my very first intentions?

- Naniniwala akong may Diyos noon gaya ng iba pang mga taong lumaki sa pananampalatayang Katoliko, pero hindi ako kumbinsidong nag-eexist nga siya o dapat siyang sambahin o pagtiwalaan.

- But I consider to study the contents of the Bible even I have doubts, until I find good reasons in the Bible to "believe" that God really exists, the way that yung mga dahilan na yon eh logical at madaling maintindihan kahit ng mga bata. Simple at hindi komplikado, maybe for some it is, I don't know why, pero, yun nga, oftentimes, commonsense na lang din eh.

U were a catholic??

“Naniniwala akong may dios….pero hindi ako kumbinsidong nag-eexist nga siya”

Ha???

So u later found good reasons to believe that god really exists and those reasons are logical, madali jntindihin kahit bata, simple at hindi komplikado at commonsense lang kamo…sge… WHAT ARE THOSE REASONS?

Anyways, my mistakes, I am asking for what have you studied in the Bible, not what you can say and what you know, as some would say, about the Bible.

Ano na yung mga napag-aralan mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos? (Yan yung tanong ko)

Latag mo dito. Gusto ko lang malaman kung anu-ano yung mga bagay na nalaman mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos.

For example, ano ang sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos at sa iba pa? (Hindi yung kung ano ang komento mo sa sinasabi ng Bibliya tungkol sa Diyos)

1. Loving, Powerful (give supporting verses)
2. and so on... ()

And for that, maybe, kung available pa ako sa mga susunod na araw, we can discuss it one by one.

Ahh kei.. so ur asking me what the bible says eh like ung character or attributes ni god

That he is powerful, wise, just…loving…unless im wrong jan sguro nman we dont need each individual bible verse for that…

Having said all that, like i said sa topic mo na toh… a god like that could have done things differently with regards to slavery but he didnt… u can say he tolerated it..for me he condones it…

For this naman, how would someone know if this was "done responsibly"?

Pakilatag nga din yung comment mo about dyan.


Sagutin ko yung inquiry mo next time, medyo busy pa

I said it na… its *** between two consenting adults na responsible enough and aware about safe *** practices

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

What was your intention when you study the Bible? And what's your firsthand beliefs before you study it?

Since you asked these questions, is it fair for me to say na pineprescribe mong ang isang reader ay may intention nang paniwalaan ito in the first place? O dapat maniwala muna sila in certsin things before magbasa ng Bible?

So between dito sa dalawang statements alin ang mas totoo...?

A. Naniwala kang totoo ang Diyos kaya ka nakumbinsi sa Bible.

B. Nakumbinsi ka ng Bible kaya ka naniwala sa Diyos.

Kasi parang nagsisimula ka sa suggestion na dapat mag aral ng bible para maniwala, pero pag hindi gumana yung process, you are suggesting na maniwala muna sa Diyos, bago mag-aral.

 

[Cerebellum]

Since you asked these questions, is it fair for me to say na pineprescribe mong ang isang reader ay may intention nang paniwalaan ito in the first place? O dapat maniwala muna sila in certsin things before magbasa ng Bible?

None of the things you said are the actual things I have said. I'm just asking.

Well, these are your assumptions:

A. Naniwala kang totoo ang Diyos kaya ka nakumbinsi sa Bible.

B. Nakumbinsi ka ng Bible kaya ka naniwala sa Diyos.

But whether both of these things are true or not in my case, a person who wants to know the answers to his questions about "God," whether that individual believes in God in the first place or not, or whether he believes in the Bible or not, what could be the best possible ways to find the answers to his questions about God if he chooses to consider studying the Bible?

Like i said dati na yup there are good things in the bible.. practical things even like u said… proven din.. sure…

So you agree about being practical of it but on the other side, eh being not true of it??? of what??? Which of it is not true po??

pero what about those that are impractical na?? Or not even proven useful or true?? Will u acknowledge that same as i acknowledged ung practicalities ng ibang nasa bible? Slavery, incest, genocide are samples of things that are not just impractical, but downright evil.

I acknowledge the things you mentioned. But I'm confused dun sa sinasabi mong "not true." Some of it eh agree ka pero you believe na unproven and not true naman pala... Pa'no nangyari yon?

Hindi ko alam kung alin yang sinasabi mong hindi totoo. Explain mo nga po dito.

Anyways, since we both acknowledge that the Bible contains that kind of things, does it stumbled you? How? Answer it.

So u later found good reasons to believe that god really exists and those reasons are logical, madali jntindihin kahit bata, simple at hindi komplikado at commonsense lang kamo…sge… WHAT ARE THOSE REASONS?

Again, you'll never know it because you're views about it eh eto:

"you have ur own understanding sa bible…others have their own and i also have mine."

So kahit ipaliwanag ko pa yang mga yan, eh kung yan ang "beliefs" mo, sayang lang din kung ibabahagi ko yung mga yon sa'yo dito.

Let me ask you this, is this really your "belief" bago ka pa nag-aral ng Bible?

"you have ur own understanding sa bible…others have their own and i also have mine."

How could you even say na "possible for me to believe in such god..sure,, thats always a possibility" if you hold onto your believe that each of us has own understanding sa Bible?

Open ka sa possibility. Pero if someone who studied the Bible asks you this and that, eh hindi mo naman sinasagot, you make excuses na ang questions ay to fit our narratives...

Nag-ask na ko sa'yo nito before, "Sino bang dapat mag-adjust ng reasoning at ng thinking kapag nag-aaral ng Bible, yung Bible o ikaw?"

so ur asking me what the bible says eh like ung character or attributes ni god

That he is powerful, wise, just…loving…unless im wrong jan sguro nman we dont need each individual bible verse for that…

Aaah, so yan na yung mga naaral mo sa Bible?

I need Bible verses po eh so you can prove your point about this:

"a powerful and loving god could have done so ng walang further damage IF HE WANTED TO."

And I want to know your understanding how qualities of God (you mentioned) harmonize with each other, and how does it presented in the Bible.. Sana may mai-share ka.. You said naman kasi na you studied it.. Kaya expected kong may maipe-present ka..

Baka kasi sabihin mo, sinasabi naming "lack of understanding" ka sa mga bagay na yan.. It's your time to prove it naman since you studied it..

I'm looking where's your supporting details from the Bible na according nga sa beliefs mo, that "a powerful and loving god could have done so ng walang further damage IF HE WANTED TO."

Nasaan sa Bible ang basehan mo na "if he wanted to" do this and that without further damage eh ganyan nga ang gagawin niya o ginawa niya? At kung ginawa man niya yan noon, asan yan sa Bible, at palagi bang ganyan ang ginagawa niya?

Ipakita mo dito paps ang sinasabi mong naaral mo sa Bible. WHAT ARE THOSE?

 

[jayendecastro]

So you agree about being practical of it but on the other side, eh being not true of it??? of what??? Which of it is not true po??

I acknowledge the things you mentioned. But I'm confused dun sa sinasabi mong "not true." Some of it eh agree ka pero you believe na unproven and not true naman pala... Pa'no nangyari yon?

Hindi ko alam kung alin yang sinasabi mong hindi totoo. Explain mo nga po dito.

Malabo ba ung sinabi ko?? SOME are practical..SOME are not… i didnt say na ung SOME na i agree with eh the same things i say eh unproven, impractical or not true..

Kaya nga inACKNOWLEDGE na ung both sides na merong good/bad, useful/not useful… gets mo na??

I mentioned na some like slavery, incest at genocide…

Sample na i agree with and practical.. murder is bad.

Sample ng i dont agree with, genesis 1

I agree rape is wrong. I dont agree na stone to death ang rape victim dahil di sumigaw.. i dont agree with ipakasal ang victim sa rapist nea as long as nakapagbayad..

Mixing fabrics…

Hahaba lang kung lalahatin pa…

Do u acknowledge ung samples ko as what?? Good or bad? Practical or not?? True or not?

Anyways, since we both acknowledge that the Bible contains that kind of things, does it stumbled you? How? Answer it.


Again, you'll never know it because you're views about it eh eto:


So kahit ipaliwanag ko pa yang mga yan, eh kung yan ang "beliefs" mo, sayang lang din kung ibabahagi ko yung mga yon sa'yo dito.

Let me ask you this, is this really your "belief" bago ka pa nag-aral ng Bible?


How could you even say na "possible for me to believe in such god..sure,, thats always a possibility" if you hold onto your believe that each of us has own understanding sa Bible?

Open ka sa possibility. Pero if someone who studied the Bible asks you this and that, eh hindi mo naman sinasagot, you make excuses na ang questions ay to fit our narratives...

Nag-ask na ko sa'yo nito before, "Sino bang dapat mag-adjust ng reasoning at ng thinking kapag nag-aaral ng Bible, yung Bible o ikaw?"


Aaah, so yan na yung mga naaral mo sa Bible?

I need Bible verses po eh so you can prove your point about this:

"a powerful and loving god could have done so ng walang further damage IF HE WANTED TO."

And I want to know your understanding how qualities of God (you mentioned) harmonize with each other, and how does it presented in the Bible.. Sana may mai-share ka.. You said naman kasi na you studied it.. Kaya expected kong may maipe-present ka..

Baka kasi sabihin mo, sinasabi naming "lack of understanding" ka sa mga bagay na yan.. It's your time to prove it naman since you studied it..

I'm looking where's your supporting details from the Bible na according nga sa beliefs mo, that "a powerful and loving god could have done so ng walang further damage IF HE WANTED TO."

Nasaan sa Bible ang basehan mo na "if he wanted to" do this and that without further damage eh ganyan nga ang gagawin niya o ginawa niya? At kung ginawa man niya yan noon, asan yan sa Bible, at palagi bang ganyan ang ginagawa niya?

Ipakita mo dito paps ang sinasabi mong naaral mo sa Bible. WHAT ARE THOSE?

I harmonize ko?? Hahahaa are you serious??
The whole point of my statement na:

"a powerful and loving god could have done so ng walang further damage IF HE WANTED TO."

..implies that i dont see the harmony ng power at love ni god mo na either he cant or wont do something about slavery…

Powerful JEREMIAH 32:17
Wise PSALM 104:24
Just and Right PSALM 37:28 Job 34:10
Loving 1 JOHN 4:8.

There are more verses ofcors… pero u know nman na what i mean na ur god is powerful, wise etc…

Dont turn this into bagsakan ng verse battle…

And uulitin ko.. i dont believe in ur god… ung statement ko is not a proclamation na i believe those things.. its a criticism sa qualities ng god mo…

“If he wanted to” was never biblical..its the criticism im putting forward to emphasize ung “unharmonious” characters ng god mo..

Thats me studying ur bible has come up with…not a belief…