Ang isang Atheist ay magiging theist kapag ini-apply ang science at common sense

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DNA only requires six molecules to juggle around for hundreds of billions of years, and that is no miracle at all.

Mawalang galang na po. Pero kung naniniwala kayong sapat na ang six molecules of DNA for any living organism, dapat po siguro magbasa muna kayo at pag-aralan nyo muna ang mga basic facts about DNA.

 

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You actually believe that's a possibility? Hahaha!

It is not that I believe. "Scientific imprababilty" does not equate to "it is impossible". It is just a simple threshold to make a safe prediction for accuracy of the statement.
Besides, a billion is a number too big for the human mind to conceptualize, That it is easy for your intuition to form opinion based on own limits.

 

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I think it's possible, häçkers can bypass your password for years of brute force random words/numbers

häçking is not random accident. It is a process of deliberate intelligent work.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Mawalang galang na po. Pero kung naniniwala kayong sapat na ang six molecules of DNA for any living organism, dapat po siguro magbasa muna kayo at pag-aralan nyo muna ang mga basic facts about DNA.

Yan tapos na po sir.

 

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If a had a billion printer printing random one billion letters per minute, and let it run for a billion years, i will not consider it a miracle if it "accidentally" made a sequence of the whole book El Filibusterismo.

häçking is not random accident. It is a process of deliberate intelligent work.

Brute Force is random letters and numbers, si häçker e click lang naman nya yung button to start bruteforcing the random letters/numbers, so yung password na mabuo is like the same as the whole book as said ^

Dictionary definition ng brute force:
A brute force attack is a häçking method that uses trial and error to ***** passwords, login credentials, and encryption keys.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Brute Force is random letters and numbers, si häçker e click lang naman nya yung button to start bruteforcing the random letters/numbers, so yung password na mabuo is like the same as the whole book as said ^

Dictionary definition ng brute force:
A brute force attack is a häçking method that uses trial and error to ***** passwords, login credentials, and encryption keys.

As far as I know, brute forcing passwords just takes minutes, or hours depende. Pero imagine billion of letters for billion of years... baka nga lahat ng books ever written nag appear na sa pattern somewhere.

 

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As far as I know, brute forcing passwords just takes minutes, or hours depende. Pero imagine billion of letters for billion of years... baka nga lahat ng books ever written nag appear na sa pattern somewhere.

Yep sa pagiging random in billion times hindi posibleng "accident" na makuha yung mga words na yun, hindi lang natin kaya yun ma comprehend kasi masyado ng malawak, di na abot ng brains

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yep sa pagiging random in billion times hindi posibleng "accident" na makuha yung mga words na yun, hindi lang natin kaya yun ma comprehend kasi masyado ng malawak, di na abot ng brains

At least atheist are honest sa limits ng brains.. pag theist ka kasi, you are too certain and sure about everything, just because sabi na father or ni pastor mapupunta ka sa hell pag di ka naniwala. Just saying.

 

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Yan tapos na po sir.
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Hahaha! While chromosomes are called DNA molecules, nucleotides are also called DNA molecules. Sorry I forgot about that. Here's an easier to understand explanation (not originally mine)....

How many DNA molecules are in a chromosome?

Each chromosome contains a single very long, linear DNA molecule. In the smallest human chromosomes this DNA molecule is composed of about 50 million nucleotide pairs; the largest chromosomes contain some 250 million nucleotide pairs. The diploid human genome is thus composed of 46 DNA molecules of 24 distinct types.

How many strands of DNA are chromosomes made of?

two
Most of humans’ DNA is typically packaged into 46 chromosomes located in the cell’s nucleus, which is a specialized compartment for storing DNA. Each of the chromosomes in the nucleus is made up of two linear DNA strands wrapped around each other.

Is a chromosome a single DNA molecule?

Each chromosome contains a single double-stranded piece of DNA along with the aforementioned packaging proteins. This condensed form is approximately 10,000 times shorter than the linear DNA strand would be if it was devoid of proteins and pulled taut.

What are DNA chromosomes made of?

A structure found inside the nucleus of a cell. A chromosome is made up of proteins and DNA organized into genes. Each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes.

How much DNA is in a single chromosome?

One chromosome has 2 strands of DNA in a double helix. But the 2 DNA strands in chromosomes are very, very long. One strand of DNA can be very short – much shorter than even a small chromosome. Strands of DNA are made by joining together the 4 DNA bases in strings.

What is a single molecule of DNA called?

DNA is made up of molecules called nucleotides. Each nucleotide contains a phosphate group, a sugar group and a nitrogen base. The four types of nitrogen bases are adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C).

How many strands of DNA are in each cell?

At least 4,600 trillion. Each diploid cell in the human body consists of 46 strands of DNA, each representing each of the 46 chromosomes in the cell.

What do atoms make up DNA?

DNA, which stands for deoxyribonucleic acid, resembles a long, spiraling ladder. It consists of just a few kinds of atoms: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and phosphorus. Combinations of these atoms form the sugar-phosphate backbone of the DNA — the sides of the ladder, in other words.

How is DNA related to chromesomes?

In the nucleus of each cell, the DNA molecule is packaged into thread-like structures called chromosomes. Each chromosome is made up of DNA tightly coiled many times around proteins called histones that support its structure.

How many DNA strands are in one chromosome?

One chromosome has 2 strands of DNA in a double helix. But the 2 DNA strands in chromosomes are very, very long. One strand of DNA can be very short – much shorter than even a small chromosome.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Hahaha! While chromosomes are called DNA molecules, nucleotides are also called DNA molecules. Sorry I forgot about that. Here's an easier to understand explanation (not originally mine)....

How many DNA molecules are in a chromosome?

Each chromosome contains a single very long, linear DNA molecule. In the smallest human chromosomes this DNA molecule is composed of about 50 million nucleotide pairs; the largest chromosomes contain some 250 million nucleotide pairs. The diploid human genome is thus composed of 46 DNA molecules of 24 distinct types.

How many strands of DNA are chromosomes made of?

two
Most of humans’ DNA is typically packaged into 46 chromosomes located in the cell’s nucleus, which is a specialized compartment for storing DNA. Each of the chromosomes in the nucleus is made up of two linear DNA strands wrapped around each other.

Is a chromosome a single DNA molecule?

Each chromosome contains a single double-stranded piece of DNA along with the aforementioned packaging proteins. This condensed form is approximately 10,000 times shorter than the linear DNA strand would be if it was devoid of proteins and pulled taut.

What are DNA chromosomes made of?

A structure found inside the nucleus of a cell. A chromosome is made up of proteins and DNA organized into genes. Each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes.

How much DNA is in a single chromosome?

One chromosome has 2 strands of DNA in a double helix. But the 2 DNA strands in chromosomes are very, very long. One strand of DNA can be very short – much shorter than even a small chromosome. Strands of DNA are made by joining together the 4 DNA bases in strings.

What is a single molecule of DNA called?

DNA is made up of molecules called nucleotides. Each nucleotide contains a phosphate group, a sugar group and a nitrogen base. The four types of nitrogen bases are adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C).

How many strands of DNA are in each cell?

At least 4,600 trillion. Each diploid cell in the human body consists of 46 strands of DNA, each representing each of the 46 chromosomes in the cell.

What do atoms make up DNA?

DNA, which stands for deoxyribonucleic acid, resembles a long, spiraling ladder. It consists of just a few kinds of atoms: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and phosphorus. Combinations of these atoms form the sugar-phosphate backbone of the DNA — the sides of the ladder, in other words.

How is DNA related to chromesomes?

In the nucleus of each cell, the DNA molecule is packaged into thread-like structures called chromosomes. Each chromosome is made up of DNA tightly coiled many times around proteins called histones that support its structure.

How many DNA strands are in one chromosome?

One chromosome has 2 strands of DNA in a double helix. But the 2 DNA strands in chromosomes are very, very long. One strand of DNA can be very short – much shorter than even a small chromosome.

So ano po ang point? It still narrows down to six building block of molecules diba?

Ano na-acheive natin sa lesson nyo sir?

 

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It is not that I believe. "Scientific imprababilty" does not equate to "it is impossible". It is just a simple threshold to make a safe prediction for accuracy of the statement.
Besides, a billion is a number too big for the human mind to conceptualize, That it is easy for your intuition to form opinion based on own limits.

A billion only sounds big, until you actually use mathematics against it.

Let's see...
1) There are about 31.5 quadrillion seconds in a billion years.

2) There are at least 128 normal characters used in printing (we won't bother with other foreign characters para partida na po sa inyo)

3) Let's say ang printer nyo ay merong speed na 2000 characters per second.

4) Based on the given figures above, your printer will be able to print all the unique 16384 two-character combinations in 8 seconds (128 to the 2nd power, divided by 2000). Wow 8 sec. lang mukhang kayang kaya.

5) How about we try six-character length? Gaano katagal para ma-print ang mga unique combinations? 2,199,023,255 seconds (more than 69 years) -- 128 raised to the 6th power, divided by 2000. Yakang yaka pa rin?

6) Now, try po natin ang 12-character length na string. Boom! More than 9.6 sextillion seconds (306 trillion years) to print all unique combinations. (128 raised to the 12th power, divided by 2000).

Kita nyo po, 12-character length pa lang yan...Can you imagine how much more kung kasing haba ng isang buong libro ang ipapaubaya nyo sa random printing para makakuha ng match?

So ano po ang point? It still narrows down to six building block of molecules diba?

Ano na-acheive natin sa lesson nyo sir?

Tignan nyo po yung sample calculation sa taas para magka ideya kayo.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

A billion only sounds big, until you actually use mathematics against it.

Let's see...
1) There are about 31.5 quadrillion seconds in a billion years.

2) There are at least 128 normal characters used in printing (we won't bother with other foreign characters para partida na po sa inyo)

3) Let's say ang printer nyo ay merong speed na 2000 characters per second.

4) Based on the given figures above, your printer will be able to print all the unique 16384 two-character combinations in 8 seconds (128 to the 2nd power, divided by 2000). Wow 8 sec. lang mukhang kayang kaya.

5) How about we try six-character length? Gaano katagal para ma-print ang mga unique combinations? 2,199,023,255 seconds (more than 69 years) -- 128 raised to the 6th power, divided by 2000. Yakang yaka pa rin?

6) Now, try po natin ang 12-character length na string. Boom! More than 9.6 sextillion seconds (306 trillion years) to print all unique combinations. (128 raised to the 12th power, divided by 2000).

Kita nyo po, 12-character length pa lang yan...Can you imagine how much more kung kasing haba ng isang buong libro ang ipapaubaya nyo sa random printing para makakuha ng match?

hypothetical printer lang yan sinasabi ko, and not to prove the possibility of such printer. (Btw, i did say na 1billion word per minute)

The point is, anywhere in the universe this six molecules could be interacting.. and with the vastness of universe the odds of these 6 molecules sitting next to each other is more more than 1 billion per minute.

For this molecules to form a sequence of what we observe as life, is more possible than typing el fili.

(Gaya nga sa example ni UeL na brute forcing, random character can guess passwords in minutes)

Not because you can write the number down and solve formulas, ibig sabihin na conceptualize mo na kung gaano kalaki ung number na yun. Your intuition is tricking you. People in the past had an intuition na impossible or improbable malaman kung ano nangyayari sa kabilang bahagi ng mundo, makagawa ng sasakyang lumilipad, and you must be god kung magagawa mo ang mga bagay na ito, but look where we are at now?

 

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Brute Force is random letters and numbers, si häçker e click lang naman nya yung button to start bruteforcing the random letters/numbers, so yung password na mabuo is like the same as the whole book as said ^

Dictionary definition ng brute force:
A brute force attack is a häçking method that uses trial and error to ***** passwords, login credentials, and encryption keys.

Let me re-phrase po. häçking is not a random act of nature or glitch in the system. Somebody would have to deliberately do it. It's similar to when God created everything. Things didn't create themselves as results of accidents.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Let me re-phrase po. häçking is not a random act of nature or glitch in the system. Somebody would have to deliberately do it. It's similar to when God created everything. Things didn't create themselves as results of accidents.

You are missing the point. Yung random sequence ang pinag uusapan. Ginagamit lang ang häçking bilang example para maconceptualize natin sa accelerated form ang unimaginable number of chances to form a DNA sequence without any intervention and through pure randomness.

Kahit ba 1 out of 10x10 raised to 100 power.. all we need is that one odd to happen for us to exist. Kahit paano mo isolve yan it will never become "zero" chance. Of course the bigger the universe and the longer the time.. the odds become greater. What we call "mathematically improbable" only extends to our percieved reality and concepts.

 

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Let me re-phrase po. häçking is not a random act of nature or glitch in the system. Somebody would have to deliberately do it. It's similar to when God created everything. Things didn't create themselves as results of accidents.

If yung point mo po dito is yung nag trigger ng changes sa DNA, pwedeng ma relate jan yung environment, "naturally" it will happen to evolve.

For example may mga isda na tumira sa yelo, naging penguin sila, sa kabila naman sa may mainit tumira, naging ostrich sila. Environment nag trigger and nahäçk yung DNA nila to mutate.

Nag adjust yung genes/dna nila as time goes by dahil sa environmental factors, this is not just 5-20 years, siguro million years para mag evolve, kasama na yung DNA, and kaya merun din common ancestry sa mga animals.

 

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hypothetical printer lang yan sinasabi ko, and not to prove the possibility of such printer. (Btw, i did say na 1billion word per minute)

The point is, anywhere in the universe this six molecules could be interacting.. and with the vastness of universe the odds of these 6 molecules sitting next to each other is more more than 1 billion per minute.

For this molecules to form a sequence of what we observe as life, is more possible than typing el fili.

(Gaya nga sa example ni UeL na brute forcing, random character can guess passwords in minutes)

Not because you can write the number down and solve formulas, ibig sabihin na conceptualize mo na kung gaano kalaki ung number na yun. Your intuition is tricking you. People in the past had an intuition na impossible or improbable malaman kung ano nangyayari sa kabilang bahagi ng mundo, makagawa ng sasakyang lumilipad, and you must be god kung magagawa mo ang mga bagay na ito, but look where we are at now?

Alam ko pong hypothetical lang. Pero hindi po kayo nag pay attention sa content ng reply ko.

Password häçking relies on the speed of the processor ng computer. If random mutations of DNA would have the same speed ay wala pong makaka survive na living organisms.

 

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Password häçking relies on the speed of the processor ng computer. If random mutations of DNA would have the same speed ay wala pong makaka survive na living organisms

And random mutation relies on the length of time and vastness of the universe. It doesnt need the speed. Hindi nmn kahapon nubuo ang universe diba?

 

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You are missing the point. Yung random sequence ang pinag uusapan. Ginagamit lang ang häçking bilang example para maconceptualize natin sa accelerated form ang unimaginable number of chances to form a DNA sequence without any intervention and through pure randomness.

Kahit ba 1 out of 10x10 raised to 100 power.. all we need is that one odd to happen for us to exist. Kahit paano mo isolve yan it will never become "zero" chance. Of course the bigger the universe and the longer the time.. the odds become greater. What we call "mathematically improbable" only extends to our percieved reality and concepts.

You are breaking your two separate propositions at the same time. OK address po natin yung randomness portion ng häçking....
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If yung point mo po dito is yung nag trigger ng changes sa DNA, pwedeng ma relate jan yung environment, "naturally" it will happen to evolve.

For example may mga isda na tumira sa yelo, naging penguin sila, sa kabila naman sa may mainit tumira, naging ostrich sila. Environment nag trigger and nahäçk yung DNA nila to mutate.

Nag adjust yung genes/dna nila as time goes by dahil sa environmental factors, this is not just 5-20 years, siguro million years para mag evolve, kasama na yung DNA, and kaya merun din common ancestry sa mga animals.

Ay salamat po, we are getting back to the point. Back to random mutations in the DNA. Susubukan kong i-tweak ang paliwanag.

Gaano karaming mutations po sa palagay nyo ang nagaganap sa bawat nilalang sa loob ng isang taon?

Can we agree po na ang life expectancy ng isang planeta gaya ng earth ay hindi lalagpas ng 5 billion years?

 

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Can we agree po na ang life expectancy ng isang planeta gaya ng earth ay hindi lalagpas ng 5 billion years?

Ok i can agree.. but dont ignore that there could be more than 1 earthlike places sa universe.. earth is not "special" either.. ok bayun?

You are breaking your two separate propositions at the same time. OK address po natin yung randomness portion ng häçking....

Anong propositions ba?

 

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Ok i can agree.. but dont ignore that there could be more than 1 earthlike places sa universe.. earth is not "special" either.. ok bayun?

Ano po yan, bagong kulto ng Evolution theory? You think a lucky DNA mutation happens at another galaxies, then the result gets randomly teleported to earth?